Snot - unbanned.. why?

[lance]

Your In-Game (RP) name: Morgz Mum UWU

Player's In-Game (RP) name: snot

Player's Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:163626403

Describe how the player broke the rules: Scamming and minge, but was unbanned for it. This is an appeal for his unban. He deserves to face a punishment to put him in line.

I don't know how snot was unbanned. He was consistently harassing me and others, especially Liz. These were personal attacks and not just him talking shit, like when he made insults calling Liz overweight and saying that she was male. Whiteknight or not, haha, whatever, but these insults are not things you should say to anyone. It does nothing short of disgust me to see that there are people like this still active in the community. And to see that he isn't even being punished at all? Pathetic.

We asked him several times to stop and to not be toxic. He continued and didn't care. He was muted for this and warned by staff prior to his ban. This went on for about 2 hours.

In addition to this he also attempted to, and did, scam people. He adverted "100 mill to raid us", and did not give the money up when my party member raided him- he never said that it had to be a successful raid (we didn't fail the raid and are making this report out of spite- my party member adverted raid and called it off). Despite the technicalities here, he didn't even have 100 million, meaning it would still be a scam if we DID successfully raid.

It shocks me how this user has barely faced punishment for his actions. He should at LEAST face a week as he very clearly scammed/attemped to scam. But he wasn't even banned for 24 hours. This is ridiculous. No user should be allowed to be such a toxic member of the community.
 
Evidence of the player breaking the rules: Considering he was already banned, it has already been proven that he has broken rules. He deserves at LEAST a week for his behavior.

All I have on hand is this screenshot. I am hoping the chat logs will serve to prove that snot has been nothing but toxic to us and others in the community:

https://i.imgur.com/b4va8jH.png

Edited April 14, 2020 by Setro

[Ness]

ok so snot adverted yesterday that if you raid me successfully you get 100mil but he didnt even have 100mil and didnt give the 100mil to the people who raided him successfully and generally hes a minge also im like 99% sure that most people legit make deals with the higher ups and get unbanned i mean it happened to meep and now its just common place now i guess so can i start sucking dick to get gman rank?

[Liz]

I would like to say that after 10-20 mins of him calling me 400-500 pounds it broke me down because I am sensitive about my weight.

[Ness]

Just now, Liz said:

I would like to say that after 10-20 mins of him calling me 400-500 pounds it broke me down because I am sensitive about my weight.

thicc gang

[Freddy]

snot is the type of person to cheat on bingo

[Zyngas]

From my understanding there was no successful raid.

[Zyngas]

2 hours ago, Ness said:

ok so snot adverted yesterday that if you raid me successfully you get 100mil but he didnt even have 100mil and didnt give the 100mil to the people who raided him successfully and generally hes a minge also im like 99% sure that most people legit make deals with the higher ups and get unbanned i mean it happened to meep and now its just common place now i guess so can i start sucking dick to get gman rank?

From my understanding there was no successful raid. Do you complain about everyone who has their ban appealed? If you're going to be a whiny shithead, atleast get the facts correct. Your fear mongering conspiracies that you create with only half facts, and half a brain are really annoying. The majority of the things you said are incorrect, and then you decide to stand on the incorrect facts to argue and complain. It really irks me because I legitimately put a lot of effort into ban appeals, more than you might think. 

[lance]

3 minutes ago, Zyngas said:

From my understanding there was no successful raid.

Not to reiterate but that doesn't really matter in this case. He didn't have 100 mill to begin with so even if the raid was successful he wouldn't have paid it out. Even so he didn't specify that the raid had to be successful.

Even if he's excused for the scam part, he was still minging and repeatedly harassing users after being constantly asked to stop, and even warned for it. He was even brought to a sit for it and openly admitted that he didn't care and would continue to do it.

EDIT: I just noticed you extended your reply. Ness was there and was involved. This is not just a random reply from him.

Edited April 14, 2020 by Setro

[Zyngas]

He contacted me earlier on discord trying to purchase in game cash, and was unaware that we was not able to purchase more cash. His intentions were to purchase cash if someone were to have successfully raided him.

"Even so he didn't specify that the raid had to be successful."  -- I think most people would infer that it would have to be successful. Regardless I hate the whole "raid my base for money" shit because it doesn't make sense. It's failrp, and very rarely are both sides mature about it. I don't want to deal the the "AKSHOLLYEY TEKNIKYLEY's" of deciding stupid rewards for the base.

I was unaware of the minge part, and it was not brought up by the staff member who banned him. The staff member explained to me that the minge was tacked on as part of the scamming reason.

So from my side, I was just looking at a user who was banned for "scamming" even though he was never successfully raided. I also think they player had intentions of giving the reward if someone were to have raided him. I simply accepted his appeal, for those reasons. As far as the player disrespect, I believe that should be separate from this thread. 

[lance]

10 minutes ago, Zyngas said:

He contacted me earlier on discord trying to purchase in game cash, and was unaware that we was not able to purchase more cash. His intentions were to purchase cash if someone were to have successfully raided him.

"Even so he didn't specify that the raid had to be successful."  -- I think most people would infer that it would have to be successful. Regardless I hate the whole "raid my base for money" shit because it doesn't make sense. It's failrp, and very rarely are both sides mature about it. I don't want to deal the the "AKSHOLLYEY TEKNIKYLEY's" of deciding stupid rewards for the base.

I was unaware of the minge part, and it was not brought up by the staff member who banned him. The staff member explained to me that the minge was tacked on as part of the scamming reason.

So from my side, I was just looking at a user who was banned for "scamming" even though he was never successfully raided. I also think they player had intentions of giving the reward if someone were to have raided him. I simply accepted his appeal, for those reasons. As far as the player disrespect, I believe that should be separate from this thread. 

How is it not scam? He didn't have the money when he adverted the reward.

It doesn't matter if he didn't know you couldn't buy money. You actually sort of can, it's a reward for donating- perhaps he should just keep donating to get that amount. But nobody with good intentions and whom is actually going to pay up is going to advert the reward first without actually having the amount.

This of course is all ignoring the fact that the advert didn't specify successful. Sure, it's the 'ackshully' shit, but if it can be interpreted as meaning a successful raid, it can also be interpreted as just attempting to raid. "Most people" does not account for all people, and "most people" would consider snot's behavior to be scamming. And most people would be held accountable for not knowing that you couldn't "buy money".

His "intentions" are bullshit. At no point in the sit or confrontation did he ever explain any of this, that he would buy the money after the raid. Then suddenly after he gets banned, he says that he didn't know he couldn't buy money? Seems like a lie he constructed during the few hours he was banned.

It honestly doesn't matter if you don't like the raid base for money thing. It is allowed, it's been happening, and it happened. You are free to put in place a rule to prevent this, but opinion is far from resolution. This case should be treated as seriously as any other case because raiding for money is a concept accepted by nearly the entire server.

If it actually is FailRP, I have never seen any staff member do anything about it. I've even seem staff members adverting it themselves as well.

The player disrespect should not be separate from this thread, I don't see why it would be. This thread is once again mostly an appeal for his unban. He deserves to do time for at least the disrespect and harassment he has caused. He is not being held accountable for anything here when he so very clearly had nothing but bad intentions in the game. As stated in the previous reply he even admitted he had bad intentions and didn't care.

Likely nothing will be done about this because you are the owner and your decision is the one that matters the most. But the least you can do is show some empathy for us. You are very rarely on the server and do not notice, and did not notice firsthand, the abuse players like snot bring to the community. You have access to chatlogs (most likely) and can investigate in-depth the entire situation and see the way he treats me, Liz, and pretty much the entire server except his friends.

By no means do I mean any disrespect to you. But I seriously am losing it with the amount of toxicity that exists because admins and owners alike allow it to. There is documented proof of this ongoing, and there are moderators who have witnessed this abuse and carelessness firsthand, yet the benefit of the doubt is being given to someone who clearly gives no fucks about anyone.

I rest my case. It's up to you to reban him or not. But it will sure as hell set a precedent for the future of the server and the environment of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Zyngas]

You can't keep donating to get money. There is not a higher package than gman. You can't donate for money.

You also ignored the part about him asking to purchase money prior to being banned. He didn't craft the narrative post ban like you're suggesting.

It is failrp to advert incentives for base raids I've recently talked to the staff about it in discord because it's gotten out of hand. Sometimes we try things and see how they work out, and we've decided the pay to raid my base stuff is dumb.

As far as expecting a reward for an unsuccessful raid. Especially one that was canceled seconds after being called. There is certainly a logical disconnect there. Im sorry for assuming most people would understand you have to actually do something in order to recieve a reward. I understand that most people is not all people, but I think the logic there is pretty straightforward.

I do think this topic should be separate from the disrespect. This topic was about me appealing his scamming ban. If you would like to open another thread regarding the disrespect please feel free to do so and we can handle that portion there.That thread would be about banning him for those reasons not "reversing" this unban for scamming

I'm fine with the current precedent being that we unban people who didn't legitimately scam anyone, and didn't have the intention to do so.

[Jimbles]

Alright, so I was on the server while this was happening and honestly everyone was joking. Stop white knighting over liz, its the internet and we were all just casually having fun at the expense of others . There was no "harassment" going on, ESPECIALLY because it was only happening over ooc and also because most of the jokes were actually about you or other people simping towards liz. Also, im pretty sure snot said he was going to also have his friend/friends pay as well to add up to 100 mil. Also, shut up about technicalities. Ive been through it very recently, and Ive learned not to be a smartass. Especially not with Zyngas. (Zyngas by the way when you talked to me on that day you sounded like my dad and actually scared the shit out of me so... big respect). Finally, I'd just like to say that everyone was having fun and I guess youre not that type of guy. I've been on the server multiple times and whenever I've been around you you seem like a kinda bland guy. You've made jokes in ooc before but I've never actually seen anyone react to them whatsoever and the jokes were pretty bad. ONE LAST big thing though that I havent seen anyone notice, snot didnt call liz fat in the screenshot lol. It was clearly a different guy.

[lance]

5 hours ago, Jimbles said:

Alright, so I was on the server while this was happening and honestly everyone was joking. Stop white knighting over liz, its the internet and we were all just casually having fun at the expense of others . There was no "harassment" going on, ESPECIALLY because it was only happening over ooc and also because most of the jokes were actually about you or other people simping towards liz. Also, im pretty sure snot said he was going to also have his friend/friends pay as well to add up to 100 mil. Also, shut up about technicalities. Ive been through it very recently, and Ive learned not to be a smartass. Especially not with Zyngas. (Zyngas by the way when you talked to me on that day you sounded like my dad and actually scared the shit out of me so... big respect). Finally, I'd just like to say that everyone was having fun and I guess youre not that type of guy. I've been on the server multiple times and whenever I've been around you you seem like a kinda bland guy. You've made jokes in ooc before but I've never actually seen anyone react to them whatsoever and the jokes were pretty bad. ONE LAST big thing though that I havent seen anyone notice, snot didnt call liz fat in the screenshot lol. It was clearly a different guy.

Christ this shit pisses me off. Please refrain from posting here unless you have screenshots or something to add. Your opinion is not necessary here, this is not a poll. You were not directly involved so you should not be commenting.

Although, I will add, it was not a joke, and your entire reply is ignorant. If you had bothered to read the thread you would read that Snot was asked to stop several times and was aware of the effect his comments had, but admitted he didn't care and continued to make the comments. Not really a joke when your comments do psychological harm or make people feel more insecure.

The fact that you said "we are all casually having fun at the expense of others" is literally saying that you also witnessed him harassing her. That's harassment.. you are aware of that right? If your fun negatively impacts someone, ESPECIALLY if you intend to do harm and are aware of what is being done, you are attacking them.

And yes, the screenshot does not show he was calling Liz fat and shows dylan doing it, but he did- his chat is there coincidentally. I am not trying to pass off what dylan said as what snot said.

Edited April 17, 2020 by Setro

[Zyngas]

Closing this thread. If you want to report the player for the seperate issue of player harrasment feel free to do so.