Nights False Ban Of New Player

[HentaiFapperSupreme]

Your In-Game (RP) Name: LargeSmoke

Which staff member are you reporting: Nights - Spooky Andy

Please describe the staff member's unjust behavior: False Ban 

Please provide any available evidence to back your claims

I was on today and I found this new player with the name "Borat 2". I followed him around a bit and worked out that he wasn't a new player, he was actually a donator. Anyways, he was putting on an Eastern European accent. A hitman walks up to him and pulls a gun on him, he also pulls a gun out and he fires maybe one or two shots at the Hitman, a batman then continues to kill them both. So, the Hitman named "Tommy Angelo" calls a sit and Borat soon gets brought to it, I have Borat's steam ID here https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199082294358/ From what I heard Borat claims "The man was following me with a gun". The sit concluded and he brought Borat back but he keeps Tommy Angelo in the sit for a while, later, me and Borat are raiding a base and we finish the raid. We leave and we notice he's been warned for RDM, despite the fact that he hadn't killed anyone. Okay, whatever. We keep walking and he gets banned for 5 days "NITRP and RDM" despite the fact he clearly established his situation to the mod, the sit concluded and he didn't kill anyone, this was minutes after. 
So I confront the mod and the mod claims he believed he had a voice changer and that he was paying no attention, nor saying anything that made any sense, which was wrong. I had some big time recording issues but I've got most of the audio from the sit from my mic and theirs. I only have access to roughly five minutes of footage with Shadowplay. 

Anyways, I get brought into a sit with two other mods, one named "Spooky Andy". They argue with me and I ask Andy a simple question, please can you check logs and tell me that he killed the man he was warned and banned for killing, he said he would and then ejected me from the sit with no response. The point is that it was a needless ban that Borat wasn't there to refute

 

This is totally irresponsible and unruly, not in one place did he RDM and he clearly established the situation yet just because he put on an accent he deserves a 5 day ban. The fact that I asked the mod to check logs and they were totally reluctant proves that the ban has no good reason. Then again, I have little evidence but I was simply a spectator to this and I believe it was unfair and immature behaviour, as a long time player of the server I was quite disappointed to see this treatment. I hope my effort is enough to consider a response worthy. 

Thanks for reading.

 

[HentaiFapperSupreme]

The title is slightly false, was meant to change that.

[Remuchu]

I feel that it should be mentioned, Andy is very good about checking logs and I was at part of the sit involving you as well. During that time of conversation I was personally checking logs and asking for names about the incident. When you were talking with Andy I took Nights to another location to get a clear response for his reasoning for the ban. So to say that no one checked logs would certainly be false. Andy and I are good about double checking logs for each other. Along with that I am pretty sure I heard multiple times that the ARDM was mistaken as RDM from Nights admitting his mistake on the terminology.

[Andy Gambini]

*She. Nights got flown away and you asked if I could check logs, I said "Yes", you said "thank you", I said "you're welcome" and I returned you, if there was more you needed/wanted to say you could have put in another ticket asking to be brought back and I would have brought you back. 

[Nights]

 I see no change in the ban as RP is a time where you can be who you want but in a sit, you are there to explain your side on whatever the case may be, and especially as the one being accused it should be taken seriously. With the evidence provided against him and the fact that I couldn't understand what he was saying the case against him was serious. If he wanted to talk in that accent then that's cool, but do not be surprised if you are not taken seriously if I don't get that same respect. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt multiple times, asking whether he adverted (to help his case), and asked if he was sure he wanted to talk like that, if im not mistaken. But in the end I could not understand him, nor take what he said with any credibility for obvious reasons. At the end of the day whether you think the ban was reasonable or not, the source of the problem originated from the accent and seriousness of the sit. (The ban doesn't have to be a negative thing as well. It can be taken as a learning experience)

1 hour ago, HentaiFapperSupreme said:

They argue with me and I ask Andy a simple question, please can you check logs

Also ^ that sit happened as you repeatable brought up in the chat about how it was unjust, a false ban, so we brought you to a sit to discuss your complaint(as you will see) Im not saying you were wrong to make a complaint im glad you want to make sure what was done is right, however if you have a problem you should call a sit, dm somebody in game (or out), or not make things so explosive. When we have to bring you so that you wont flood the chat it doesn't specifically help the case anymore than if you called a sit using "@" etc.

Edit: the blue marked out stuff was unrelated to the topic and not needed as after Andy brought him that's when the texting stopped.

Edited October 22, 2020 by Nights

[HentaiFapperSupreme]

Okay so, if you made a mistake about warning him for RDM, maybe you should correct yourself, and remove his warn, and reban him for just NITRP. Mistakes are there to be corrected, ignoring the fact you've falsely warned somebody for something they didn't do isn't professional. And when you asked him if he adverted, what could he have possibly adverted? 

[HentaiFapperSupreme]

Because there's clearly an issue here, let's ignore the whole checking logs thing, lets ignore what I believe wasn't NITRP, RDM was still in the ban and it's also on his warn record, maybe that should be removed.

[HentaiFapperSupreme]

I said it in OOC because I'd witnessed something wrong, I only said anything refuting anyone else in OOC once I myself was refuted. Refuting me is instigating argument therefore I don't believe me talking in OOC is really a criticism at all, especially when it's something that's happened so suddenly and is so damn wrong.

 

[HentaiFapperSupreme]

I also don't think a ban for NITRP is reasonable for one sit that you pulled him out of, not allowing him to finish himself. All I'm saying is just to take your finger off that ban hammer a little, being that harsh you'd be a good admin some day.

[HentaiFapperSupreme]

And I don't think this voice is very hard to understand, by the way. 

[HentaiFapperSupreme]

And how is roleplaying in a sit NITRP, is it not the complete opposite?

[HentaiFapperSupreme]

You can actually warn people for not listening or lying to staff, if you didn't know. If he was RPing NITRP is not the correct ban, instead, warn him for non compliance and then ban him. It looks as if you were attempting to find excuses to ban him, especially as he wasn't even told he was going to get banned, wasn't warned of it and it happened when he wasn't even there to defend himself 

[Remuchu]

Please refrain from making many posts, and dragging this out. Compile your thoughts into one comment then leave it here! Yes mistakes were made but it is hard for the staff to go through and comb this thread when it is all spread out like this. Thank you!

[HentaiFapperSupreme]

Please refrain from backing myself up with multiple easy to distinguish points, clearly separated by posts which I came up with over time. This is ridiculous. Okay, how about this, is this better? 
 

Okay so, if you made a mistake about warning him for RDM, maybe you should correct yourself, and remove his warn, and reban him for just NITRP. Mistakes are there to be corrected, ignoring the fact you've falsely warned somebody for something they didn't do isn't professional. And when you asked him if he adverted, what could he have possibly adverted? Because there's clearly an issue here, let's ignore the whole checking logs thing, lets ignore what I believe wasn't NITRP, RDM was still in the ban and it's also on his warn record, maybe that should be removed. I said it in OOC because I'd witnessed something wrong, I only said anything refuting anyone else in OOC once I myself was refuted. Refuting me is instigating argument therefore I don't believe me talking in OOC is really a criticism at all, especially when it's something that's happened so suddenly and is so damn wrong. I also don't think a ban for NITRP is reasonable for one sit that you pulled him out of, not allowing him to finish himself. All I'm saying is just to take your finger off that ban hammer a little, being that harsh you'd be a good admin some day. And I don't think this voice is very hard to understand, by the way. And how is roleplaying in a sit NITRP, is it not the complete opposite? You can actually warn people for not listening or lying to staff, if you didn't know. If he was RPing NITRP is not the correct ban, instead, warn him for non compliance and then ban him. It looks as if you were attempting to find excuses to ban him, especially as he wasn't even told he was going to get banned, wasn't warned of it and it happened when he wasn't even there to defend himself.This RDM (if it happened) would also likely be a verbal as his warn record is clear but that's not set in stone

There, is that a little easier for you to understand? Christ

 

Edited October 22, 2020 by HentaiFapperSupreme

[Nights]

5 hours ago, HentaiFapperSupreme said:

Okay so, if you made a mistake about warning him for RDM, maybe you should correct yourself, and remove his warn, and reban him for just NITRP. Mistakes are there to be corrected, ignoring the fact you've falsely warned somebody for something they didn't do isn't professional

I did not say I made a mistake warning him. I said  "if he was sure he wanted to talk like that, if im not mistaken", in my last reply.If that is what you are referring to I was not talking about his warn. I was referring to the end of the sit with him I asked him if he was sure he wants to keep talking like that, as I could not understand.

 

6 hours ago, HentaiFapperSupreme said:

And when you asked him if he adverted, what could he have possibly adverted? 

A lot of people who RP have binds so that when they press a key a specific message shows up. In the case of his sit I asked him if he had adverted something that would have proven he told the hitman to back of.

Ex: "Waring 1/2/3 back away now!"

Not that he needed one but as I was trying to find any and all ways he could be innocent, I asked if he adverted.

6 hours ago, HentaiFapperSupreme said:

. I said it in OOC because I'd witnessed something wrong, I only said anything refuting anyone else in OOC once I myself was refuted. Refuting me is instigating argument therefore I don't believe me talking in OOC is really a criticism at all, especially when it's something that's happened so suddenly and is so damn wrong

You typing in OOC is not a bad thing that i'm trying to stop you from doing. I am glad you spoke up and said something like I had said because that shows you want to make sure what was done was right. I only asked that you called a sit in "@" or dm'ed somebody as it would have not made the sit we had more structured and not have blindsided as it was. I was tabbed out until it was brought to my attention you had a concern so I wasn't as prepared for your concern as it seems.

 

6 hours ago, HentaiFapperSupreme said:

. I also don't think a ban for NITRP is reasonable for one sit that you pulled him out of, not allowing him to finish himself.

This confuses me as you had also said "reban him for just NITRP"

 

6 hours ago, HentaiFapperSupreme said:

reban him for just NITRP.

So I don't completely know how to approach the situation as its kind of contradicting.

 

6 hours ago, HentaiFapperSupreme said:

All I'm saying is just to take your finger off that ban hammer a little, being that harsh you'd be a good admin some day. And I don't think this voice is very hard to understand, by the way. 

You hearing his voice in discord, or whatever y'all were using, is different than in game. I could not understand him when he was present with me in the sit. That clip is a sample of his voice but not the words and phrases, within the sit it was A LOT more indecipherable.

 

6 hours ago, HentaiFapperSupreme said:

And how is roleplaying in a sit NITRP, is it not the complete opposite? You can actually warn people for not listening or lying to staff, if you didn't know. If he was RPing NITRP is not the correct ban, instead, warn him for non compliance and then ban him. It looks as if you were attempting to find excuses to ban him, especially as he wasn't even told he was going to get banned, wasn't warned of it and it happened when he wasn't even there to defend himself.

So just to clarify

Roleplay: the acting out of the part of a particular person or character

My Job: To ensure the functionality and enjoyability of XenoRP.

In a sit, if somebody had a concern I address it to make the enjoy ability of XenoRp better. Me going into the sit, I don't know your friend or what he is like at all. He came into the sit in a role play manner still. Many minges like to delay or string on to try and push the limits of staff and get away from their punishment (im not implying anything about your friend). So i go into a sit and the person who is being accused of an offense, if talking in a manner I could not understand, he was being accused of breaking the rules, and the evidence was not on his side. I took into consideration everything and like I said, checked advert logs and all.

 

From my perspective here was ALL I could gather about him. He was not rude and a donator (hence why I double checked logs and tried extra hard to appeal his side), but the evidence pointing against him, and him talking in a manner continuously where I could not understand him made it seem as if the sit was was being dragged on. He did not care enough to talk in a normal manner where we could have a clear conversation. There is a time to role play and a time to be serious. I'm sure your friend is not a bad person and I could get along with him, but he did not seem to care about the rdm accusation.

 

The decision was not made in spite, I considered everything and was just as confident as I am now that the decision should stay.

 

[HentaiFapperSupreme]

So how come you banned him outside of a sit?

[HentaiFapperSupreme]

Did you ask him to speak in a more normal manner? 

[HentaiFapperSupreme]

Are you confident with his false RDM warn too?

[HentaiFapperSupreme]

And where in the MOTD does it say that roleplaying in a sit is NITRP? 

[HentaiFapperSupreme]

I wouldn't say banning people without even giving them a decent platform, or warning to defend themselves helps people's "enjoyability" of DarkRP

[ToastyShrimp]

Hello, I am the person who is banned in this case. I would first off like to say, that I did not RDM that hitman, I shot him, but the Batman killed both of us before one killed the other. 

 

Now onto the topic of my ban,

it was inappropriate and unjust for the situation at hand. I was Roleplaying so I do not see how this is a NITRP case. Also, you are the authority when it comes to admin sits. So, if you have trouble understanding my accent I was putting on, please ask me to stop doing the accent, instead of removing me from the sit, then banning me moments after. It seems to me quite lazy, and abusive of power. I'm not saying you're a bad mod, you did the right steps, but the execution was incorrect. If I enter your sit, speaking in a accent, or you cannot understand what I am saying, ask me to type it out, instead of crying and removing me from the sit.

 

Thank You.

[HentaiFapperSupreme]

I agree, a lack of warning, with a lack of elaboration on why they should stop and the consequences of which, that you should've told him makes it wrong, you don't just cut to the chase with a ban for one unwarned offence. 

[Nights]

 

4 hours ago, bigathickburger445 said:

If I enter your sit, speaking in a accent, or you cannot understand what I am saying, ask me to type it out, instead of crying and removing me from the sit.

You were in the sit for a decently long time. You were there even after I returned the guy accusing you.

 

4 hours ago, HentaiFapperSupreme said:

I agree, a lack of warning, with a lack of elaboration on why they should stop and the consequences of which, that you should've told him makes it wrong, you don't just cut to the chase with a ban for one unwarned offense. 

You are correct Hentai. I should have told him what makes it wrong. This might have defused the situation better and allowed for more communication between you , him, and I. I can agree that he should have been told what was the problem and that is my fault, Hentai, and I take full responsibility for not relaying the consequences to him.

Warns are not always given before a ban. EX: Mass RDM is not warnable they get banned. Depending on the case NITRP has the same outcome.

 

4 hours ago, HentaiFapperSupreme said:

And where in the MOTD does it say that roleplaying in a sit is NITRP? 

"Staff members reserve the right to use their best judgement when dealing with infractions not mentioned in the MOTD. Do not question their authority." That comes straight out of the MOTD. (And its not roleplaying that's the offense, its the lack of seeming to care about the situation at hand)

 

 

 

[Nights]

4 hours ago, HentaiFapperSupreme said:

I agree, a lack of warning, with a lack of elaboration on why they should stop and the consequences of which, that you should've told him makes it wrong, you don't just cut to the chase with a ban for one unwarned offence. 

Ill address this lastly.

I agree, I should have communicated the ban with him more and elaborated the reason. I left him in the dark on that and that is my fault.

NITRP is not always a warned offense, just like MassRDM is not warn able its just a ban, NITRP can be.

 I will let an admin approach if they need anything else as this is getting relatively redundant and we will go in circles making no progress until the ban is over and the back and fourth wouldn't have mattered.

Thank you, for voicing your concerns, however.

[HentaiFapperSupreme]

 Alright, well thanks for the politeness.