Larry Newman Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 As the title says, I believe that raiding building should be taken by surprise rather than alerting the base owners that you're raiding them. Not only that, many of the base/raiding rules are tailored towards the defenders anyway. Before everyone gets into an uproar over it, there's literally nothing inside of people's bases that are even valuable. Nobody keeps majorly valuable items laying around and they most certainly don't leave shipments laying in their base. The best thing you can hope for as an attacker is that you maybe find a printer or bitminer with money or bitcoins inside. These entities can be frozen with the physics gun which means that they either stay or get blown up (Considering occupying a base isn't allowed). The only reason people raid others is because they're bored or they just want to kill someone. There's no value that comes from it. The obvious reason this rule is in place to provide administrators with a time lapse indicator between people raiding to avoid violating the time constraints. This is not needed as the deaths between players can be used as a time lapse indicator as well which is certain when raiding bases. I also do not believe this should be true for the police department. Every officer in the city should respond to a raid on the Police Department. This also helps to show who's involved in the raid. Raids on the PD are more important to regulate because a crucial class of players reside inside of that building. This may also combat the problem between large and small factions. A smaller group of people may have a better chance at successfully raiding a large faction. If the large group doesn't want this to happen, it's very simple: Leave some people watching the base. This also falls on not allowing 15 people in a faction to rob you all at once as some may have to provide base security. Link to comment
Kil Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 The problem with this is that they can also wait till all players leave their base and then raid silently and then destroy all the entities and then leave and they can do that over and over because logs show doors getting lockpicked but dont show which door and they can get away with saying i was just lockpicking my own door silent raiding is a thing that shouldnt be allowed. Im also not sure what you mean about the pd part all cops can respond but they cant come back when they die Link to comment
Larry Newman Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share Posted December 26, 2019 23 minutes ago, Kil said: The problem with this is that they can also wait till all players leave their base and then raid silently and then destroy all the entities and then leave and they can do that over and over because logs show doors getting lockpicked but dont show which door and they can get away with saying i was just lockpicking my own door silent raiding is a thing that shouldnt be allowed. Im also not sure what you mean about the pd part all cops can respond but they cant come back when they die Surveying the area allows for more careful planning of a raid rather than going in guns blazing and starting a deathmatch. The logs don't need to show lockpicking as players should be allowed to lockpick freely and silently. There should be no time constraint on raiding multiple bases; only on raiding the same base. The end of a raid either ends in one of three things: death, arrest or attackers leaving before or after they've gained access. Deaths and arrests are both logged. Player deaths can be used as time lapse indicators to determine how often a player is raiding the same base. Considering other events allow for timestamps, logging lockpicking or advertising raiding isn't needed. The police should have a notification when the Police Department is being raided. They cannot act upon OOC indicators such as the OOC chat and the death indicators at the top of the screen. Dead officers can't ethically use group chat without breaking NLR since they already died. Realistically if someone was attacking the police department every officer in the city would be notified. That's all I mean by that. Link to comment
Kil Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Concerining the police subject first, As a cop as soon as the pd raid activates they get a alert saying the PD armory is being robbed. It does show that so there is a notification people just dont pay attention. And now for the raid part allowing people to raid as many bases they want is just a terrible idea it would cause so much chaos for mods dealing with sits its highley problematic as a whole -1 Link to comment
Zyngas Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Not adverting makes it a nightmare to moderate. Link to comment
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