Staff issue/staff suggestion (Jeremy/Lucina/Ferrit)

[greafer]

Your In-Game (RP) Name: im cody

Which staff member are you reporting: Jeremy & Lucina & Ferrit(Stopped the vote kick, but I could not get a screenshot of the logs)

Please describe the staff member's unjust behavior: So votekick are put in place for donators to hold a vote to kick a player that is breaking the rules. Most times this is not a used command as there is typically always a staff member on the server. However, when there are staff members online that are roleplaying I believe that donators should still be able to votekick player bc there isnt a staff to handle the situation. Meep had made a ticket that was never responded to and never got a sit to handle his issue, so instead meep made a votekick for the player that was breaking nlr. Two staff members stopped the vote, but still never did anything about the situation. I understand that staff have the ability to stop vote kicks, but it has come to a point where they basically just do it to flaunt their powers. In my opinion, if a staff member wants to just roleplay and not take tickets users should still be able to votekick others without a staff member just stopping it for fun. Whereas if they are going to stop votekicks so a user cant kick another person for breaking a rule  then they should go on duty and actually handle the situation. It is very aggravating to see staff just stop votes without dealing with the problem at hand. I understand if it is a false kick, but the pictures below show that it was not. Lastly, I believe that Meep's ticket finally got handled after I repeatdly asked if any staff was going to do something about it and stated "if you are going to stop votes you should be actually moderating the server "So yall are stopping a vote but not handling the situation?"

Please provide any available evidence to back your claims:

 

[God Emperor Jeremy VI]

Do not Votekick other players if a staff member is online. If a staff member is online but away, you may Votekick.

 

 

Also I did deal with the ticket like right as the last votekick was stopped and I talked to Deharnfelix and Meep regarding the situation.

[ʟᴜᴄɪɴᴀ™]

Hi Cody, 

Thanks for making a report and voicing your concern. 

The reason we stopped the votekicks were due to rule #5 under Server Policies in the MOTD. 

"Do not Votekick other players if a staff member is online. If a staff member is online but away, you may Votekick."

 

Although some of us were not "On-Duty" at the time of the votekicks, we did handle the tickets after going on duty. I had previously stopped the votekick that Meep had requested for the player in question and assisted them with the issue. The future votekicks were stopped because Jeremy went on duty to assist with further tickets. 

[Ferrit]

As an Ex-Staff you Must have received the Documents that were included in the orientation. under the "Staff Procedures" It states "Staff, off duty should play like the player base"

It Entails moderators Acting like players and RPing. With the exception of jailing others if needed (staff off duty have the ability to jail people if they are being a minge or rdming)

What is shown here. Lucina. RPing as a regular player does... Her right given to her by the staff procedures. Listed above, As i see this report is invalid...

Now,  jeremy, as an "Admin on Duty". stopped the vote and took tickets... He did not "Break" any rules. or just ignore tickets... His report in my opinion is invalid as well

And, Now for me. No Evidence or mention of me was placed in the provided pictures. And, as an honest person... Yes i did stop a vote, Yes i was not on duty. And yes, I did reach my quota, yes. I was RPing. So again i feel that this Report. Not only is Invalid. But also split, with no proof of 1/3 staff reported

This was my ted talk...

Edited February 8, 2020 by Ferrit

[greafer]

35 minutes ago, ♥ Luci ♥™ said:

Hi Cody, 

Thanks for making a report and voicing your concern. 

The reason we stopped the votekicks were due to rule #5 under Server Policies in the MOTD. 

"Do not Votekick other players if a staff member is online. If a staff member is online but away, you may Votekick."

 

Although some of us were not "On-Duty" at the time of the votekicks, we did handle the tickets after going on duty. I had previously stopped the votekick that Meep had requested for the player in question and assisted them with the issue. The future votekicks were stopped because Jeremy went on duty to assist with further tickets. 

Wouldn't you technically be considered 'away' as you were not on duty actively taking tickets. With this mindset a staff member could just sit there online while the server is in absolute chaos and just continuously stop votekicks bc they are "online" . (Completely hypothetical)

"Although some of us were not "On-Duty" at the time of the votekicks, we did handle the tickets after going on duty." The first votekick I saw in chat was stopped by Ferrit and meep then complained that you guys weren't taking his tickets. Did you personally deal with meep's sit? 

43 minutes ago, Jeremy9718 said:

Do not Votekick other players if a staff member is online. If a staff member is online but away, you may Votekick.

Also I did deal with the ticket like right as the last votekick was stopped and I talked to Deharnfelix and Meep regarding the situation.

There was 3 separate votekicks that I personally saw in chat, and out of the three the last one finally got dealt with because there was multiple people complaining in chat that staff shouldn't be stopping the votekick if they are not going to do anything about it.

Edited February 8, 2020 by im cody

[Zyngas]

I think there is a little bit of validity to all statements here. Here is my breakdown:

As Luci stated: "Do not Votekick other players if a staff member is online. If a staff member is online but away, you may Votekick."  -- I think this needs to be revised to away or off-duty.

Also as Ferrit states: Under the "Staff Procedures" It states "Staff, off duty should play like the player base" -- Umm, I don't think this is in the staff procedures. I'm not sure what you are quoting. Regardless, you make a valid point. Staff have the right to play like the normal playerbase. If staff choose to roleplay instead of moderate, they shouldn't stop votekicks for valid reasons. (It's fine if you stop them when they have silly reasons) IE a votkick for the reason 'stinky.'

If the staff are not on duty, or not actively taking tickets, Vote Kicks should be treated like when there are no staff online, and the server is unmoderated, not votekicks should not be stopped by someone who isn't responding to tickets.

I think in this case Jeremy was taking tickets at the time. As we all know, some sit's take longer than others and it may have taken a while to get to the ticket involving the person who was being vote kicked.

TLDR:

Only votekick if staff are off-duty or not online.

Only stop votekicks, if you are actively moderating and responding to tickets.

[greafer]

This was more of a server suggestion ig, but was easier to portray the issue with using the instance that happened in game. I do not want any of these members to get in trouble for this, but I did want to shed some light on the issue of staff stopping vote kicks and not doing anything to fix the issue at hand. I think that some revision of the motd regarding votekicks is the best way to fix this issue.

[Zyngas]

Sure thing, I've added this to our MOTD trello board.