Crossfire and accidental gunfire

[lance]

Crossfire isn't in the MOTD and technically isn't a thing at all, but there is a very big stigma that it's ok if you shot someone if you advert crossfire.

Obviously there are cases where you accidentally shot someone, and need to make it clear that it was an accident and you don't intend other harm. But then there are people who straight-up kill and injure others and than advert "crossfire" to cover it up. I've seen lots of people do this all the time including donors (even CC's).

Here's the main issue: I feel like crossfire already is an acceptable and widely understood mechanic in the community. Which is toxic because it's not in the MOTD, which is toxic because it rubs off on staff; I can't even imagine how many people have gotten out of warns for adverting crossfire and were only given verbals. I haven't witnessed much myself, but I've been in situations where someone I'm 99% sure shot me for no reason got only a verbal because they lied in the sit and said it was an accident. The main issue is that staff don't treat it as seriously as it is and serial intentional crossfirers get out of it all the time because of their status.

Staff aren't supposed to recognize crossfire at all. But staff are human and staff give the benefit of the doubt.

Crossfire adverts should be discouraged to prevent all of this, maybe even made completely against the rules. It injures the server, it manipulates new players in more than one way, it gets people out of warns. It's just stupid. If you pull the trigger you should be responsible for where your bullets land even if it's accidental.

Accidental gunshots should be just as bad as ARDM. Period, regardless of any adverts. If you can't safely shoot someone, don't pull the trigger.

Of course there should still only be punishment if the victim makes a ticket. But crossfire is annoying as fuck. There is absolutely no way that all of the crossfire adverts I see daily in chat are legit.

Even if accidental gunshots are still treated as badly as ARDM, staff should be encouraged to treat situations like this more strictly and not be so sympathetic.

Even if some of what I say is wrong, I hope this sparks conversation about crossfire. Because it's bad no matter how you look at it and something needs to be done about it.

Edited January 31, 2020 by Setro

[Herper Derpe]

It isn’t that hard to tell the difference between a real and fake crossfire in my opinion with the odd outlier. I see where your coming from but sometimes it happens and an advert can be a good thing to help in the situation 

[Greg]

the reason we like people to adver crossfire is to avoid potential warns. It's a good logging tool

 

 

[lance]

13 hours ago, Greg said:

the reason we like people to adver crossfire is to avoid potential warns.

 

 

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. That's the problem.

[MayMay Master Nick]

Why should I get warned if I accidentally kill/shoot at someone? For example, there could be a person I am trying to kill, and another player purposefully walks into my line of fire? Now why should I get warned for that, its not my fault I shot him, he should not have walked into the line of fire

[Doctor Hunt]

19 minutes ago, MayMay Master Nick said:

Why should I get warned if I accidentally kill/shoot at someone? For example, there could be a person I am trying to kill, and another player purposefully walks into my line of fire? Now why should I get warned for that, its not my fault I shot him, he should not have walked into the line of fire

You won't get warned for that really if it's obvious. Now if you get a dumb staff member, that's another story.

[lance]

34 minutes ago, Doctor Hunt said:

You won't get warned for that really if it's obvious. Now if you get a dumb staff member, that's another story.

This.

The reason you should still be warned for other cases where it isn't so obvious is because that will discourage people from lying about crossfire just to RDM. If you can get away with accidentally killing someone, someone with bad intentions can lie and get away with it.

[Lolagaf]

I try to treat all cases of misclick as rdm. Crossfire is a little different, as you can tell from logs. I know the mechanic is bs, and I won't let people get away with it. It is always very obvious when someone rdms and blames it on a misclick. Ie. "My mouse fell off my desk bro" (logs say 9 different shots, semi-auto)